Honestly? I mean I know some of this is necesarry
I missed which part was necessary...
"You can judge the whole world on the sparkle that you think it lacks" - Dawes, When My Time Comes (http://youtu.be/Z0FrcTX6hWI)
slitting the throat is the cleanest death, it doesn't hurt nearly as much as smashing them repeatedly, but... they should at least be under anesthesia or something...
I mean you have to kill something to eat it. You have to. But it shouldn't have to be so cruel. They shouldn't have to suffer their whole lives, only maybe a little before death. Death really is unavoidable, so I don't find eating animals poor or wrong, but I think they deserve to have a good life before that.
I mean, it baffles me how anyone could just straight up like, kick animals and smack them like that. I could never hurt anything, human or animal like that. If I had to, I could kill them, because that's nature and it's just the "circle of life" :P But torture isn't nature... I respect animals, and even as food I respect them. We don't have to stop killing and eating them, but we have to stop being inhumane...
btw... Jeff's comment was a bit oblique: merely observing that the entire activity would be proscribed by his religion.
Not sure about the circle of life here. We're not capturing wild cattle and killing it. They are bred, raised, and killed for consumption.
And, the suffering is pretty unavoidable, because consumption levels are too high. It is actually impossible for everyone to eat beef from a cow that walked around in a pasture and ate grass. The industry centralized slaughter, so the cattle need to be raised near where they are going to die, as a cost measure.
I've not had any animal products for 5+ years, and no meat for 15+, it's pretty easy. I respect them by not eating them, or not creating their life to end it to eat it.
If you work at one of these places, you have to emotionally shut down, as you're surrounded by suffering daily. So, after a while, they aren't animals anymore. They are just the thing you have to move from point A to point B, or somesuch.
The larger question is: If everyone demands something that is inherently inhumane, is everyone somewhat culpable?
never hurt an animal, i mean i physically hurt humans alot but never an animal unless in sself defense like getting attacked by a wild dog i would you know fight back but just enough so that i would go away.
i mean would you hurt this *holds up a lasha apso puppy making a :3 face*
i only drink irn bru and the occassional blood of my enemies
Well, I love my meat. I love turkey, chicken, fish, beef, pork, bacon, ham...all of it. This video certainly won't make me a vegetarian, but...
Some of the things in this video are necessary, yes. We didn't make it to the top of the food chain for nothing. But the treatment of the male chicks and calves and piglets...um, no. Completely unnecessary. And in a perfect world, all cows and chickens and pigs would be able to run around in an open farm like the good old days until they've lived their lives and are ready for slaughter. I think it would great to see those nice open dairy farms with green grass and white fences and all that stuff.
I can't help but wonder...aren't these atrocities all technically animal cruelty? Banging piglets against the ground and punching a calf in the face surely is a violation of laws against animal cruelty?
Also, what if this is only an extreme example? The website this video is posted on is one for vegetarians, correct? What if this is biased? Maybe they've taken these extremes and made it seem like the norm, like ALL farms are like this. Maybe. I dunno.
I've seen multiple documentaries with similar footage of the insides of plants like this. It's really depressing. No, they're not all like this. But. A lot are, too many.
just think of bacon
Well I hardly think all of these are the industry standard, not that I can know that, but some of them seem not only inhumane but simply innefficient, like I hardly think every or even most farmers kill animals by smashing them on the floor, I mean, of all the ways, that has to be among the most difficult if you're going to kill something.
So yes, I would likely say that this is probably incredibly biased, the quotes they took are probably out of context, they quote only the worst examples to prove their point, and the narrator is just too tragic about it.
However, like most incredibly biased things, it does also have its merits, even if they aren't quite what they claim them to be.
I don't think animals really have rights per se, as yes, they get killed for food, so does everything else.
Pain is not a criterion for rights, I would say. What's more important is the understanding and self-awareness of pain, for example you couldn't do this to scarlet macaws or monkeys or dolphins or other animals shown to have demonstratable intelligence.
Pain is something evolved, it obviously has evolutionary benefit, an animal that has no pain would have a host of problems.
And so having pain can't really give an animal, in my view, credence over a tree, or a bacterium or otherwise.
However, it really does bother me, just intrinsically, that though I wouldn't say animals have rights, demonstrating such a disregard for any kind of life disturbs me on a basic level. I think life is beautiful in all forms and should deserve, if not rights, then just basic respect.
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