Life, thou art a cruel mistress

swimmerguy's picture

Learning about drugs would be so much easier if they weren't illegal.
It just frustrates me. Cause in Health last year it was practically breaking a rule to say the name of any drug without "is bad" following it.
Because the shit we learned in Health, that frustrates me. I mean, drugs are illegal, so they can't exactly write a glowing endorsement about them, but I know all that scary shit that they show you about "LOOK, LOOK EVERYONE. THIS PERSON SMOKED WEED ONLY ONCE AND THEY THEIR BRAIN TURNED TO MUSH AND GOT HOLES IN IT AND THEN THEY DIED O.O" is obviously un-fucking true.
Because that's all the information they give you, they'll make you believe it.
But since I know that at least half of it is total demonizing bullshit, I believe there is real information in there, real things that are problems with drugs, facts about them, that are useful to know, but I can't trust any of it cause I can't separate fact from fiction.
So that basically leaves me with no info whatsoever.

Now, the best way to do it would be to cite your sources, don't make unverified statements, don't just use scary CG pictures, but give actual verified and scientifically agreed upon facts about drugs, and then let the people decide whether it makes sense or not. Now, cause since I assume now that I know nothing, knowing the actual facts, if they're good, would probably make me more likely to do drugs in the future, and they don't want that.

But if you have to demonize something, use scary photos, only the worst and scariest facts, none of the benefits, (I mean, they hardly ever mentioned why people actually do the stuff. If you knew nothing going in you probably would only gather that the people doing this are just stupid and unthinking gangsters who skip school and want nothing more than to bring down society and can't resist peer pressure) and use childhood indoctrination, in an attempt to convince people not to do something, maybe you should rethink your motives.
Cause even if drugs were total shit and did nothing but assrape people, then some stupid people would do them nonetheless just cause they like making the easy choice.
But if you have to make a thing look worse than it is in an attempt to convince independent, clear-headed free thinkers not to do it, then maybe you should think why...

I mean, look at this shit: http://www.teens.drugabuse.gov/facts/index.php
I hate it so much, man.
I heard that this technically, for now, legal thing called "artificial marijuana" is being made that is stronger than regular weed, and it was discovered cause this guy applied for a grant to do an experiment on the effects of marijuana, or THC, on the body. The government approved it, but said he had to find a chemical substitute, he couldn't use weed. And he found something stronger, and people picked up on it.
I mean, that's just so fucking stupid. We don't actually wanna know what it really does. We just don't like it. You can't use weed, it's like the nit-picky people who don't like profanity. If Thomas Jefferson was a massive profaner, and wrote the Declaration of Independence tossing in a few "shit"s and "fuck"s as descriptive words, it wouldn't make the document less beautiful, it'd just change the specific words he used, and people would hate it, just cause they've determined they don't care what you say, even if it's beautiful and you're not using profanity in a vulgar way (i.e. referring to vulgar acts i.e. "I assfucked your mother"), they've just determined those words cannot be used under any circumstance.

The government's total hypocrisy on drugs just drives me right up the wall. In our specific town, medical marijuana is legal, but patients can't buy it from dispensaries, they must grow it themselves. I mean, that makes no fucking sense.
And the federal government has said that people who use state recognized medical marijuana are still vulnerable to federal prosecution. Goddamnit, the fuck.

And if "drugs" are banned, then tobacco, alcohol, and probably even caffeine should be too. Alcohol especially, it's no different than illegal drugs, it's only culturally, it's impossible to ban, we tried, it was called Prohibition and it was a total failure and waste of 2 amendments to the Constitution.
So we said it was fine, but weed isn't. I mean, when will the government recognize that it's trying to save costs to society, so instead of having the majority I imagine of weed smokers, just otherwise productive members of society just out having a joint, walking around and being otherwise productive, we're putting them in jail on society's dollar.
And for no good reason whatsoever.

After long tangential, and likely chloroform in print writing on nothing whatsoever, I can't think of anything else.
Oh, I had a dream last night, and it was really weird, cause I rarely ever have dreams, and usually if I do it's cause I've been thinking about something a hell of a lot recently (Like, for example if I've been fixating on some boy recently... nice...) but this one appeared to be random.
It was kind of what appeared to be a movie that I was somehow watching and yet still in at some points, based off a book I thought I knew the plot of, but I realize now I never really did in the dream I just had general feelings of plot, with several tangential offshoots for a while that were completely random as far as I can tell.
I'll write it down here, but before I do, I need to say last night was really weird, I needed to get up at 7:00, so I was reading in bed when I fell asleep with the light on, which always pisses me off cause then I always wake up at like 4:00, like I did this morning, and then I have to go brush my teeth and do all the shit I should have and normally would have done before bed when I'm zombie-tired. So this dream occurred after I finally turned off the light to get to real sleep at about 4 in the morning.
This dream occurred in those 3 hours, and seemed much longer than that.
The general plot of the main story was, it seemed like there was this family, a man, his wife and 2 children, I don't know the genders, and they were taking this hike down the bottom of a valley. They got to this weird waterfall that looked like a giant shoebox with water coming down one side off the top. The man somehow takes this massive rock and for some reason throws it on top of the waterfall and then all of a sudden a bunch more water is coming out and starts filling up the valley. Me and the guy and his family (cause I'm not just watching the movie no more, apparently) and then we're way up on a ledge, and then we're way underwater and watching these weird underwater creatures fly by at huge speeds.
What happened after I don't remember actually happening, but I remember looking forward during the dream to what I expected from the "book", which was that somehow the family gets to this snowy mountainside, and camp at the bottom, and something, I think it was weird, small creatures, come and kidnap one of the children, a girl, and take her way up the hill to their massive subterranean lair. The father goes after them, and goes through a bunch of shit I don't remember. The girl escapes and gets back to the family. The father finally escapes and is on his way down as it gets darker and darker until it's night, and he dies in the snow.

During this dream, I had several random offshoots that included me and my mom going through what seemed like airport security on steroids, then later like I was with this crew and we were going to the bottom of the ocean in this weird ship, and it was all dark and rocky down there, and then lastly, based in something resembling my own house, the same family from the "movie" that were being infected by zombies, first the father, then everyone else after a while, kinda like Quarantine, and for some reason this happened 3 times, a little different each time, as if it was a video game or something...

So, my question is, what dreams can you remember?
I love dreams, they're so entertaining to see what I come up with. I remember when I was little I was obsessed with the Lord of the Rings, and I wanted to know what it would have been like to be at Minas Tirith, defending it from Mordor, and I intentionally thought about it so much I would get myself to dream about it, and I did, twice, and it was fun, even if not informative about what it would be like at all cause the Laws of Physics were not obeyed in any circumstance...

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Uncertain's picture

This artificial marijuana

This artificial marijuana thing recently got banned in new Zealand too. I guess the manufacturers thought that the government would be too stupid to realise it's just marijuana-called-something else.

I keep flip flopping on the drug debate actually. But recently leaning more towards banning. I guess in new Zealand as opposed to America we don't have such harsh laws regarding soft drugs like marijuana. So the issue would be hard drugs such as amphetamines, which I honestly don't think people should just be able to buy from a pharmacy (or equally licensed place). Unless you are just talking about decriminalisation of possession, which recognises voluntary treatment over jail time while also recognising the substantive harms that hard drugs can cause.

jeff's picture

Drugs...

Once you get to college, that will sort itself out. Usually, a list starts forming of drugs you're OK doing, will never do, and of course, the list of drugs you're scared of doing but interested in trying. Some people put the whole list under "will never do," but a lot of people experiment and find stuff that works for them. My list is pretty locked in now, although most of them are still in the "interested in trying" section, heh.

Remembering dreams isn't something that happens to me often, but there's a new brain supplement that I bought that supposedly is leading a lot of people to remember their dreams more often, and for some people even lucid dreaming. I'm waiting until I'm unemployed to enjoy it more, although it is just a supplement of natural stuff, heh: http://www.onnit.com/alphabrain/

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"You can judge the whole world on the sparkle that you think it lacks" - Dawes, When My Time Comes (http://youtu.be/Z0FrcTX6hWI)

lonewolf678's picture

Eh,

drugs are overrated.

elph's picture

The long-term consequence of drugs...

...is quite insidious... and far from being a settled issue!

What is beyond controversy... each drug experience leaves a permanent mark on one's system. But... non-drugs do as well!

The question each must answer for himself is: "Is the anticipated experience of a mental 'orgasm', the other-worldly ecstacy, the euphoria, and 'seeing' Nirvana so irresistible (along with the concomitant after-effects) that the risk makes it worthwhile?

A thinking person possesses the wherewithal to make this decision; those who can't think (or refuse to)... just go ahead!

There is no doubt that the immediate effect of most "recreational" drugs can be quite enjoyable. But... the border line between enjoyment and disaster is often elusive and probably very idiosyncratic.

jeff's picture

Well...

A recent study confirmed that drugs can have a permanent effect. ;-)

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/story/2011-09-29/Magic-mushroom-drug...

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"You can judge the whole world on the sparkle that you think it lacks" - Dawes, When My Time Comes (http://youtu.be/Z0FrcTX6hWI)

elph's picture

Ah... but...

...you failed to select an additional --- quite-crucial --- adjective to precede "effect." :)

Maybe, "beneficial?"

Anyway... I become a bit uneasy reading such a positive report as this when written by one who's grammatically challenged.

But... it does sound quite favorable!

jeff's picture

Lots of anecdotal, as well...

http://www.thefix.com/content/steve-jobs-think-different-and-lsd-9143
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/adam-lambert-wild-idol-20090625

Plus, a lot of people claim to have changed their lives entirely after doing Ayahuasca with a shaman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca

Just always seems ironic that a country on so many post-lifestyle drugs (for cholesterol, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc.) vilify anything not made by Pfizer and that the government approves...

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"You can judge the whole world on the sparkle that you think it lacks" - Dawes, When My Time Comes (http://youtu.be/Z0FrcTX6hWI)

jeff's picture

And...

To tie it into another popular topic on here: religion.

There are growing theories and research into whether the Bible was divinely inspired or psychedelically inspired. I mean, if a bush looks like it's burning and talks to you... LSD/mushrooms might make more sense than God as an answer. Of course, that would still leave open where the voice and those ideas come from, so not a complete rebuke for the religiously-inclined.

http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Manna-Psychedelic-Sacrament-Bible/dp/08928...

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"You can judge the whole world on the sparkle that you think it lacks" - Dawes, When My Time Comes (http://youtu.be/Z0FrcTX6hWI)

radiosilence95's picture

Legal. Illegal. It doesn't

Legal. Illegal. It doesn't matter. People will always do drugs regardless of the law. So the whole "legalize (insert drug name here)" thing is illogical once you think about it. Banning pot or cocaine doesn't automatically stop people from doing them. It's soooo easy to get them too. So the laws are pointless, really.

Would I ever do meth or cocaine or any of that shit? No. Would I smoke a joint every now and then if offered? Yes. But very rarely. So all in all, I avoid those things. Because I have a lot going for me and I'm not about to fuck it all up. If other people wanna spend all of their time looking for the next high, then why should I care?

Also, can someone explain something to me? There are stores in my town that openly sell marijuana-related products, like t-shirts and keychains and shit. How is this possible if pot's illegal? Do cops walk by these stores and look the other way, or what? I know these stores aren't actually distributing pot, but they're endorsing it. I would think they would have problems with the law.

jeff's picture

Easy...

They are sold as "tobacco" products. I know when I wrote the selling rules at eBay for that stuff, the item can't indicate is to be used with any illegal drugs, etc. All for "tobacco."

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"You can judge the whole world on the sparkle that you think it lacks" - Dawes, When My Time Comes (http://youtu.be/Z0FrcTX6hWI)

625539's picture

"Such loss of coordination

"Such loss of coordination can be caused by smoking marijuana. And that's just one of its many negative effects. Marijuana affects memory, judgment, and perception. Under the influence of marijuana, you could fail to remember things you just learned, watch your grade point average drop, or crash a car." (from http://www.teens.drugabuse.gov/facts/facts_mj1.php)

i smoke three to five times a week and i'm an honor roll student in my college. though according to the end of that article i should really be calling a suicide hotline lmfao.

if you're looking for a pro-weed site (which actually links to their sources unlike government propaganda) go here http://www.mjlegal.org/health.html, they have health facts and ect.