
So, what do you guys think of it?
Cause it can be one of the most evil activities humans have ever conspired to commit.
But it could also help people, right?
I mention this because I've told several lies, and one of those was today.
I feel fucking great today, by the way, I bullshitted my way through 2 tests and got out of being yelled at, which I'll talk about, and I thought my parents knew something bad about me, but it turns out they didn't, and all that on very little sleep and a slight hangover this morning to boot :P
I feel like I've accomplished more in the past 24 hours than I have in the past week.
Mostly cause I basically sleep through every class and then figure all my shit out the night before the test and assignment turn in days, and I had 2 tests, and 2 assignment turn in days...
Anyway, I got out of being yelled at.
I want to see if you guys thought it was ethical.
So, I got home, and I found lying on the kitchen table an empty dust jacket for a book.
Now, this is a book I'm very familiar with, it's a Michael Crichton thing with 3 of his books, Congo, Sphere, and Eaters of the Dead.
I also lost that book in 7th or 8th grade, I disremember now, but I know that I lost several fucking books that year, several got fucking stolen in both the orchestra room and the locker room, probably by fuckwads who'll never read them. Among the other losses in those years were Timeline, another fine Michael Crichton thing, and a fucking awesome book of Optical Illusions.
But my mom knows I lost Timeline, I got yelled at for that, and the Optical Illusions book was something she never really knew about.
But this book that I lost, it was a big, massive hardcover, very nice, very expensive.
And the dust jacket is still here, I always take those things off, fucking annoying they are.
So she doesn't know I lost that. Whenever I lost it, she discovered the empty dust jacket last year in 9th grade, and asked me where it was. I said in my locker.
I said that several times that year.
And then, she rediscovered it again today, and this time I knew I couldn't say it was in my locker unless I could actually produce it, because I would've taken it out of my locker last year.
So I debated what to do, take the yelling, hide the dust jacket and hope she forgot about it before talking to me again, or something else.
I opted with something else, filling the empty dust jacket with the 7th Harry Potter book, putting the dust jacket for that book back in it's place making it look good unless under close observation, and said the book had been in my backpack.
And that's where we are now.
So, was that ethical? I've lied to her face several times now.
It's about something that doesn't really matter, a book that she'd never read, and my dad never has time for reading anything not related to work. I'm the only one getting the pain of that missing book, especially fucking Sphere, I miss that thing...
So no harm is really done by my cock up except to me.
However I'd undoubtedly get yelled at for losing it, and probably pretty bad cause I've already lied about it.
But, also, lying to someone is bad, cause then they have less reason to trust you, you lose your trustworthiness, something valuable.
So, does it really matter?
When should someone lie? Lying is one of the most inconvenient things ever.
If people were literally forced to tell the truth all the time, we wouldn't need to spend all this fucking time in courtrooms, and assholes would never prevail, and religion likely wouldn't exist.
But there are sometimes that are good to lie.
Like if some fat chick is like "I'm so fat! My ass looks like a beach ball!" What would you say? "That is quite the astute observation you've done there. Also, you have massive Thunder Thighs, just saying"
No, you'd lie, say no, she looks great.
Cause no one really loses out there.
So is there some rule for when it's okay to lie?
We looked at this in 8th grade, some guy said that it's never okay to lie, and the other said you should say whatever would produce maximum happiness.
Now, I'm a practical guy, I like the 2nd one, I like things that are productive.
That would mean I was perfectly fine lying about the book, no one's getting hurt.
But would that also mean that you wouldn't tell someone they have cancer and 6 months to live because that would make them in agony?
This is one case where I'm not sure practicality totally works...
I dunno...
What do you guys think?
Never lie, lie to produce maximum happiness, or something else?
Well, no school tomorrow, probably watching some cheap horror movie by myself in the dark tonight, then sleeping in. Fucking awesome.
G'night Oasies!
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lying
is almost 100% situational
"A loving man and woman in a committed relationship can marry. Dogs, no matter what their relationship, are not allowed to marry. How should society treat gays and lesbians in committed relationships? As dogs or as humans?"
I think that,
With lying, it really depends on what you expect of someone. Like if you know what your boundaries are, then you know what is okay to lie about and what's not. Like you expect your husband to not lie about cheating on you, but you also expect him to lie and care about when you're upset about silly things. I don't think lying is just about happiness, but the overall greater good of the relationship of the people involved.
Edit:
Also since we went to such a ghetto school, I kinda like the idea of some too-poor-for-books abused child who stole your book to read it privately at school without his/her parents knowing. I like the thought of them curling up to the well-worn pages and smiling and enjoying it like it's theirs.
I'm probably wrong, but that would be sooo cool.
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That's redick!
They were
fucking good books. I could see that.
Well it coulda also been stolen by some gangsta who tore it apart or burnt it.
Oh well :P We'll never know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5ghXdq6Z0&safe_search=on
Im not going to lie
but i am a bit of a liar. i dont do it intentionally though. because im am very aware that i shouldnt. i just cant get the truth out. doesnt matter if it's good or bad. i just get scared for no reason. I just get paranoid. and i freak out, like panic attack status. and it isnt even something big. i guess i'd make up for it with other things though, i dont make promises unless im sure i can keep them. i am genuinely a nice person, if you need a favor i'll help you out as best i can, im polite and i know lying is bad when it isnt a white lie, and i try real hard to not lie about things that might come back to bite me in the ass or cause people to not trust me.
I agree with Ferrets and Dracofangxxx on this one though. Lying is situational.
:P
"i remember when you and me, how we used to be such good friends. wouldnt give me none, when all i wanted was some..."-jack johnson
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interestingly enough, i was reading "the morals of the prince" by niccolo machiavelli and he states that a prince, or man, should be a great liar and a hypocrite.
I lie all the time, mostly
I lie all the time, mostly about my sexuality. I think that it's just part of human nature to lie. We lie to protect ourselves, to protect others. It completely depends on the situation. And I do think lying can be justified in some cases.
Whenever I lie, I lie to avoid a confrontation. There are only two people that I have a really difficult time lying to. Just the fact that I'm so detached from most people, I usually have a pretty clear conscience when I lie. I find ways to justify it. I mean, if I was honest all the time, people would probably want me dead right now.