An alternative to Lady Gaga

Riku's picture

I'm not even gonna look at that thread after my last post. It's just gonna upset me and there's no point. Waste of energy.

SO INSTEAD. Here is a beautiful alternative to that "Born This Way" song. It makes me happy. (Would've posted it even if that thread wasn't dragged up, because it's just awesome.)

(I'm not sure that the embed is working so here's a link.)

It's about queer porn. And sex positivity. And sexy things like consent and equality. I think the world needs more people doing this kind of thing to songs... (Ze has other ones too, it's pretty cool. I like hir song about heteronormativity, which is how I found hir, someone linked me to that.) Maybe that should be a summer project for me; queering up popular music. Haha.

Also, I was thinking about it, and I might want to try gender neutral pronouns for a spin. I still ID as male, but how I present myself and like to be read is a lot more flexible than that. *shrugs* That flexibility doesn't reach into the female part of the "gender map" (I don't like "spectrum" because it's one dimensional, and gender isn't.) but it does leak into androgyny quite a bit.

Tonight I'm going to a UU church to help plan a con. I want to hold a workshop on gender at the con. I love the people who go to these cons because they're so open minded and accepting. It's wonderful. :]

And then tomorrow I'm heading to Boston to see OK Go play. :D They're going to have a signing-things table too I think, so can maybe get some signatures. I don't know if you're familiar with OK Go but they're awesome. I'm very excited. I hope there'll be confetti. (Pfft. Who am I kidding? They're OK Go. The chances of there not being confetti are similar to the chances of a pig randomly flying through my bedroom window.)

Anyway I need to go take a shower. Later guys.

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Dracofangxxx's picture

Why'd you comment if you didn't want replies?...

S'like shooting someone and then being like NO I DON'T WANNA FIGHT ANYMORE and you walk away.

Anyways, that song was pretty funny :P
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Amazingly offensive <3

whateversexual_llama's picture

why'd you comment on the

why'd you comment on the fact that ze didn't want comments?
that's like somebody being like "NO I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT ANYMORE" and walking away and then you being like "yeah, but i have ninja in the trees waiting to jump on you" and then having your ninjas pounce and kill them.

...that was an odd metaphor. <3

Dracofangxxx's picture

Because I don't see the point of someone saying something

If they're not ready for someone to reply to it :P

And I do have ninjas in my trees! Whatcha gonna do about it, huh?!
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Amazingly offensive <3

whateversexual_llama's picture

I'M GOING TO... uhm...

I'M GOING TO... uhm... uh...e r.....

RUN AWAYYYYYYYYYYYY

loreonpravus's picture

This confused me. Unless

This exchange with the ninjas and all confused me.

Unless something else is said, I have no further words.

625539's picture

offensive joke

what if said person has tourettes?
(did i even spell that right, whatevz)

Riku's picture

Oh and here I was hoping I'd

Oh and here I was hoping I'd get responses on like, all of the cool things I mentioned. Which, there were a lot of cool things. NEVERMIND THEN. :P

Everyone is drama prone recently. If it weren't for that I wouldn't have pointed out that I don't want drama brought here. But I guess that would've happened either way. Whatever.

Dracofangxxx's picture

To be fair,

I did ask you something in regards to what you posted. Had you of not been sassy enough to say you weren't going to deal with it, I wouldn't have :P And I did say the song was hilarious!
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Amazingly offensive <3

Riku's picture

I'm not allowed to be sassy sometimes? :P

Though I didn't really think of it as sassy. I was just being honest about how I felt about it. If I was being sassy it would've been 100x worse and also 100x more pointless. I can be sassy if I want to be.

And fine, that's true. I missed that because I'm really tired and hyper and brain dead. Brain dead enough that I almost typed "grain dead" which maybe I shoulda kept because it woulda been funny.

...I'm kind of leaking rainbows and sunshine right now so I don't really care at all. *shrugs*

whateversexual_llama's picture

i watched his video.

i watched his video. appreciated the lyrics, the message, the singer (ze is so cool). Did not appreciate hir voice. At all.

is my comment on at least one cool thing.

as for your exploration of gender neutral pronouns, i FREAKING LOVE gender neutral pronouns. I want to use them too, but it just seems really hard to implement in everyday life, y'know?

Riku's picture

haha, yeah, ze can't really

haha, yeah, ze can't really sing or play guitar too well. So I can understand that. XD; But I thought it was entertaining enough anyway. I'm kinda hoping that maybe ze'll figure out the singing and music stuff as they sing and play music more.

Yeah it's true. It's frustrating how difficult it is for non-binaries to have their identities recognized. :[ "Ze" is nice but outside of my queer friends (which, to be fair, most of my friends are queer...) I use "they"... It saves a lot of explaining.

I definitely like male pronouns though. I'm just curious about how I feel about gender neutral ones.

jeff's picture

Yikes...

This is an alternative to Gaga? I'm sticking with the original.

Gender-neutral pronouns only work if you stay in the trans/women's studies/queer studies bubble. Outside of that, it just sounds like you're mispronouncing things or have a lisp or something, no?

I mean, I lived in San Francisco for 15 years, hung out with queer performance artists, saw naked transguys reading poetry, saw a post-op transman giving an encore of her previous incarnation as a female stripper, and then giving away all of the stuff he collected as a stripper/sex worker, you name it. But I never heard any of them use any Spivak pronouns, ever.

My take in San Francisco, was that transguys wanted to be guys. Dress like guys, be accepted as guys, use male pronouns, etc.

Is there an alternate path that is gaining popularity where trans is the destination? It used to be a temporary thing. Like once you get top surgery, change your name, and dress like a guy all the time... isn't the idea to just be a guy at that point?

I mean, sure, society may have issues, etc., etc., but wouldn't you just say you're a guy? As opposed to transguy? You used to hear F2M, etc., but now it's all just referred to as trans, as though you've arrived somewhere, as opposed to a place through which you're just passing through...

What am I missing?

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"Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." - Kurt Cobain

Riku's picture

The alternative to Gaga thing was a joke. :P

I sing and play guitar myself, I'm well aware that he can't very well. But his lyrics are entertaining. I liked his message and that's more than I can say for Gaga's original. I don't expect everyone to feel the same way and I don't really care.

...You're missing the point entirely actually.

A) The "destination" of my transition isn't "to be male". It's to be me whoever that is. Which, is awfully similar to the goal of everyone else my age actually. I am a person. You can't sum me up with "male" any more than you can sum me up with "vegan" or "artist" or "person-with-a-vagina".

B) My interest in gender neutral pronouns has nothing to do with my body or my history. I've socially transitioned to male pretty well, thanks. Nearly everyone in my life thinks of me as male (not as trans male, as male) and many of my friends don't know that I'm trans at all. You're perceiving my interest in gender neutrality as a "step backwards" from there. As if every trans man in the world has the same goal in mind. Which is ignorant. Ask two cis people how they feel about their gender and you'll likely get two different answers. Trans people are no different. Binary identified or non. I still ID as male and I'm glad for the progress I've made, but this exploration into gender neutral stuff is a step forward for me, not a step back.

C) Being read and thought of as a trans man? Not my goal. Not even close. (not that there's anything wrong with that I might add. Some trans or transitioned people ID strongly as trans and others don't ID with it at all.) I don't like being called "FTM" because I feel that's an inaccurate description of my experience. I am a man with some genderfluid tendencies and that's how I want to be thought of. I really don't care what people think I have in my pants or genes. If they think I'm a trans man, whatever, if they think I'm just a weird guy that likes bright clothing and flowers, whatever, if they can't tell what gender I am, whatever.

D) Gender isn't just a point on a spectrum.

E) You seem to have it in your head that cis > trans. Like all binary-identified trans folk want to blend in as cis because it's "better" so we are all going to get as close as we can. There are trans men that ID as male male male and want to be read and perceived as male male male (masculine or not) and they want to have absolute control over who knows about their history, and they basically, fit your description of a trans man and eventually become invisible. I know people like that, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's their choice and if that's what's best for them then good for them.

But that's not the path of every trans person.

F) Your implication that one can't both openly ID as trans and be "just a guy" borders on offensive. I understand that, most of society puts trans men into a different category than "just men" but that's a problem. I can be "just a man (who happens to be open about having transitioned)" if I damn well please. Is everyone going to respect that? Probably not. Are they worth my time? Probably not. Being "just male" doesn't center around being perceived as a cis male. And if it does, it shouldn't.

jeff's picture

Well...

First of all, I never say anything to you or anyone else on this site to try and offend you personally (unless I'm joking).

As far as thinking "cis" is better than trans, I think I've only encountered trans people where that was the perceived goal.

It almost seems like I'm using the old definition of transgender, where the prefix trans means you are going from A to B. And the new usage seems more like some people want to stay AB, and define what that means, which sort of removes the whole definition of of the prefix trans from the picture to me.

So, trans is from the Latin meaning "across, over, or beyond." It sounds like I keep picking across and over. And everyone else is picking beyond?

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"Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." - Kurt Cobain

Riku's picture

I know. I think that the

I know.

I think that the "trans" prefix could mean any of those things, but I personally think of it more in the context of transition. I don't feel that my gender has changed at all... But the word makes it sound like my gender has moved across, over, or beyond something... But I have transitioned across or beyond gender in ways... I'm not sure I'm getting the point across that I'm trying to... It makes more sense in my head where I can picture it and don't have to use words. >_>

And, the trans movement has been moving really quickly. People are becoming more understanding of the fluidity of gender, and of non binary identities, and these people want to be visible too. The terminology trans people use to describe themselves changes rapidly enough that even those of use actively involved in the community may have a hard time keeping up.

Not to mention, language changes a lot anyway. Most words don't mean exactly what their roots would imply. *shrugs*

whateversexual_llama's picture

bornstien has a great

bornstien has a great passage on the "beyond" aspect of trans. It really broadens the definition of the word and allows for a future in which trans vs cis wouldn't be a thing, wouldn't be a separation.

whateversexual_llama's picture

ooooh. you lived in san fansiiisco. i get it now

jeff, i'm curious about what years you lived in San Fran.
Queer theory and the trans experience has changed so much just within the PAST fifteen years that I'm not surprised that our ways of viewing transsexuality confuse you.

I've read some interesting narratives from butch women/people in the Bay Area about 15 years ago that talk about the pressure to transition. there have been times that it was unacceptable within the trans/women's studies/queer studies bubble, as you call it, to be something other than masculine male or feminine female. If you were butch, that meant you wanted to be a guy.

As a (sometimes) butch-identified genderqueer person, I imagine that 15 years ago I would have ID'd as trans, I would have told everyone I'd "always been a boy," I would've tried my hardest to live stealth.

But that's not the only option anymore.
Nowadays, spaces outside of the binary are becoming far more acceptable. Maybe not outside of the circles that you like to accuse of being "the only places" that genderqueer is acceptable. But where does anything start?

Also, your whole "gender doesn't matter outside of the circles where people talk about it" shtick is getting old. Science didn't matter to anybody but scientists until the Enlightenment, but they kept on doing science! If we throw up our hands and say "welp, nobody cares" and kept queer theory to ourselves, nobody would care.

If people outside of the queer community hear us using gendernetural pronouns, they'll ASK WHAT WE JUST SAID. and then we can EXPLAIN it. And then they might begin to UNDERSTAND. pretty basic principal.

jeff's picture

Lived in SF...

From 1996 until 2 months ago. Although, I obviously hung out with an older crowd.

And I don't think I said "gender doesn't matter outside...," that is usually my line for cisgender, not gender, unless I mistyped somewhere.

My take on most of this, coming from running Oasis, is most people are desperate to (at least initially) find a label, an identity, even though I think there are more trappings than benefit in that pursuit, it is at a younger age, the goal typically. And the goal is finding a place where they fit in, etc., and can begin to feel comfortable and start loving themselves more, etc.

So, I see the whole trans thing through that lens, to get people to the place where they will feel comfortable.

And I did have a violently negative reaction to Kate Bornstein, where she makes her preoccupation with viewing every life interaction through how it deals with gender counterproductive. It seemed then, and now, as a self-inflicted gender OCD that seemed to have no upside. Essentially resetting every day with a question of what will give her annoyance each day. But then she would also drop in some of the old 'gender is an illusion,' etc., and it seemed like she is letting what she called an illusion and a social construct ruin her life. Which is why the review copy of that book was thrown away, and no interview with Kate ever appeared on Oasis.

So, since my goal is usually for people to get to a point where they are happy and contented, I see a lot of the gender-neutral pronouns and such to go against that concept. If you basically get everyone in your life to start referring to you as male, identify with you as male, it's like 'Oh, by the way, I don't quite identify as male, so I'd rather you use new words to refer to me...'

Even on Letterman two weeks ago, Chaz Bono said one of the biggest moments recently is that Cher started automatically saying 'him' to refer to Chaz and how that was such a big moment for him. So, Chaz is more my generation, so perhaps that is the issue. Everything Chaz said to Letterman, I completely understand and it makes sense to me. This stuff ya'll mention seems to me like choosing discontentment, by constantly moving the place where people seem to be accepting you, which frustrates both you and the people around you, which is why I rally against it.

I never question Riku as being male, and don't recall anything I'd ever say to not support that. But then, in my head, the goal is to just be happy, settle in. If everyone in your life sees you as male, identifies with you as male, then good. You can stop feeling resistance in your life, and enjoy the life you fought so hard to achieve.

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"Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." - Kurt Cobain

jeff's picture

Chaz interview...

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"Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." - Kurt Cobain

Riku's picture

I've been feeling varying

I've been feeling varying levels of frustration because I haven't been able to express my gender the way I want to. Between not having the surgery I need/not enough confidence in my body, and the people around me getting really uncomfortable when I slip too far into whatever they decide is the "feminine" zone, I feel like I just moved from one box to another. That's what's causing me discontentment. I didn't go through all of this just to be stuck in another box that I feel is too small. It's a much better box, and a far more accurate box, but I still need more room.

I'm not "choosing discontentment". The whole point of transitioning to me, was/is to become more in touch with myself and to be able to have that recognized and expressed in a way that I feel is accurate. Not to just "be male" (I'm not even sure what that means really.) I don't see why I should settle for less. I'm still growing and changing as a person, and there are a lot of things about me that are by no means settled let alone tangible or tied down... Which is probably pretty ridiculously obvious to anyone that's been reading my journals. |D;

In any case, I'm not going to stop going by male pronouns, I like those... That's why I asked for them in the first place. I just wonder if I'd like gender neutral ones as well. Gender is a bit of a plaything to me and I want to stretch it out and find my boundaries. I enjoy exploring my gender... Experimenting with pronouns and clothing and presentation is making me happier than feeling confined to textbook "maleness" was doing for me.

whateversexual_llama's picture

a bit off topic...

may *I* review Gender Outlaw? I have a copy of it...

jeff's picture

Sure...

Go for it.

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"Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." - Kurt Cobain