They just started recently, this year was their first go... They've got this awful age gap though, because you're too old to attend the camp at 16 but you're not old enough to volunteer until you're like, 18. So I couldn't go. :[
I think at this point it's more an organization thing, seeing as it was the first year.. they're gonna try to get a cit program for the in between ages in a few years, but, as I said, it was the first year. xP
"Assets, assets..."
"Well I've got a banana, and in a pinch you could put up some shelves..."
"pretty pleaseeee w/ icecream and rainbows and and... NPH wearing nothing but Doctor Who-themed underwear on top :P ??" -holahaveamuffin -- Way to my heart
Nope, I am... I think I'm the one who mentioned it to him, actually. The camp is for kids ages 8-15. So it's more child-oriented.
Plus, at 16 you're old enough that most doctors won't decline you for hormone therapy on the basis of age alone. The kids there were probably all either without medical intervention, or on hormone blockers. Something like that might create a social gap. Not necessarily a bad one, but a gap nonetheless. It's sort of like how someone who transitions in their teens has a hard time relating to someone who transitions in their middle ages. Some of our problems are the same, but a lot of the problems dealt with are different.
But they really should let us 16+ kids volunteer in some way, because we can't go at all as things are right now...
Yeah - it was the first ever week of the first ever trans camp. All of the ftms were older and all of the mtfs were younger, but numerically it was about an even split..
It was amazing though, and I'm definitely glad it happened - the world needs a camp like that, I should thinkk
"Assets, assets..."
"Well I've got a banana, and in a pinch you could put up some shelves..."
"pretty pleaseeee w/ icecream and rainbows and and... NPH wearing nothing but Doctor Who-themed underwear on top :P ??" -holahaveamuffin -- Way to my heart
I wouldn't know.. it impossible to figure out why that is, really..
"Assets, assets..."
"Well I've got a banana, and in a pinch you could put up some shelves..."
"pretty pleaseeee w/ icecream and rainbows and and... NPH wearing nothing but Doctor Who-themed underwear on top :P ??" -holahaveamuffin -- Way to my heart
I'm guessing that, at a young age, if a 'girl' plays with trucks and builds lego-monsters and wears jeans and t-shirts, then that's ok. Little girls are allowed to do "masculine" things to a degree. So a lot of trans boys don't really start to feel really dysphoric about their gender presentation (at least not enough to really push the issue.) until puberty starts to kick in. At least, that's how it was for me and a few other people I know.
Trans girls, on the other hand, are thought of as boys at a young age, and if a 'boy' wants to play with dolls and wear dresses and feminine clothing, that's a much bigger deal because society has this double-standard about gender. So they're more likely to get distressed by this early on.
As for why less trans girls come out in their teens, my guess is that it still has to do with the same double-standard. It's much more difficult for a trans girl to transition in high school than it is for a trans boy to do so. I have a friend who is a trans woman and she got a lot more abuse in high school than I did, and we went to the same school, and were in the same year. When you're a kid you don't really consider the consequences of that stuff in-depth. All you know is that you're a girl and people should stop calling you a boy, but by the time you get to your teens you realize the problem is more complex than that.
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:D A lot of truth is said in
:D
A lot of truth is said in jest.
Eminem
So...
There is a trans camp?
Awesome!
Many attendees? Both MtF and FtM together?
Truly progressive...
Yup.
It's for all gender-variant youth.
They just started recently, this year was their first go... They've got this awful age gap though, because you're too old to attend the camp at 16 but you're not old enough to volunteer until you're like, 18. So I couldn't go. :[
Interesting!
But you're not talking about the same camp as TG42?
That age limitation sounds extremely odd! Imho, 16 is an awfully young cut-off age.
Do you have a link?
http://www.camparanutiq.org/
http://www.camparanutiq.org/
Same camp. xD
I think at this point it's more an organization thing, seeing as it was the first year.. they're gonna try to get a cit program for the in between ages in a few years, but, as I said, it was the first year. xP
"Assets, assets..."
"Well I've got a banana, and in a pinch you could put up some shelves..."
"pretty pleaseeee w/ icecream and rainbows and and... NPH wearing nothing but Doctor Who-themed underwear on top :P ??" -holahaveamuffin -- Way to my heart
Thanks for the link!
The kids in that advertisement are charming beyond belief.
I hope so much that they grow up to be as happy as they appear here as kids...
Nope, I am... I think I'm
Nope, I am... I think I'm the one who mentioned it to him, actually. The camp is for kids ages 8-15. So it's more child-oriented.
Plus, at 16 you're old enough that most doctors won't decline you for hormone therapy on the basis of age alone. The kids there were probably all either without medical intervention, or on hormone blockers. Something like that might create a social gap. Not necessarily a bad one, but a gap nonetheless. It's sort of like how someone who transitions in their teens has a hard time relating to someone who transitions in their middle ages. Some of our problems are the same, but a lot of the problems dealt with are different.
But they really should let us 16+ kids volunteer in some way, because we can't go at all as things are right now...
Their site is here:
http://www.camparanutiq.org/about-camp-aranutiq.html
Yeah - it was the first ever
Yeah - it was the first ever week of the first ever trans camp. All of the ftms were older and all of the mtfs were younger, but numerically it was about an even split..
It was amazing though, and I'm definitely glad it happened - the world needs a camp like that, I should thinkk
"Assets, assets..."
"Well I've got a banana, and in a pinch you could put up some shelves..."
"pretty pleaseeee w/ icecream and rainbows and and... NPH wearing nothing but Doctor Who-themed underwear on top :P ??" -holahaveamuffin -- Way to my heart
How do you explain...
... the age discrepancies?
I wouldn't know.. it
I wouldn't know.. it impossible to figure out why that is, really..
"Assets, assets..."
"Well I've got a banana, and in a pinch you could put up some shelves..."
"pretty pleaseeee w/ icecream and rainbows and and... NPH wearing nothing but Doctor Who-themed underwear on top :P ??" -holahaveamuffin -- Way to my heart
I'm guessing that, at a
I'm guessing that, at a young age, if a 'girl' plays with trucks and builds lego-monsters and wears jeans and t-shirts, then that's ok. Little girls are allowed to do "masculine" things to a degree. So a lot of trans boys don't really start to feel really dysphoric about their gender presentation (at least not enough to really push the issue.) until puberty starts to kick in. At least, that's how it was for me and a few other people I know.
Trans girls, on the other hand, are thought of as boys at a young age, and if a 'boy' wants to play with dolls and wear dresses and feminine clothing, that's a much bigger deal because society has this double-standard about gender. So they're more likely to get distressed by this early on.
As for why less trans girls come out in their teens, my guess is that it still has to do with the same double-standard. It's much more difficult for a trans girl to transition in high school than it is for a trans boy to do so. I have a friend who is a trans woman and she got a lot more abuse in high school than I did, and we went to the same school, and were in the same year. When you're a kid you don't really consider the consequences of that stuff in-depth. All you know is that you're a girl and people should stop calling you a boy, but by the time you get to your teens you realize the problem is more complex than that.
This is just my theorizing though.