lesbian or bisexual - and a need to decide

bedtimest0ries's picture

i'm new to here and was hoping i could get some advice.
here's the story.
i've been attracted to girls ever since i can remember - ever since i was 5 years old maybe - then in Junior High, i've had some boy crushes BUT also had an immense girl crush through out the entire 3 years.
i've been with women AND men - and i have enjoyed being with both.
i guess that makes me "bisexual" but i really hate that term and when i am dating a girl, i feel 100% lesbian but i never feel 100% straight when i am with a guy.
i haven't dated a guy in a few years now and have been really into gay clubs/bars lately and i feel so much like that's where i belong BUT occasionally i will see a really attractive man pass by and get a dirty thought.
Can I see myself settle down with a woman? yes. With a man? eh yes but i would rather settle with a woman - maybe it's because it's more "exciting" or maybe I simply watched too much L WORD .. but my attraction to women, like i said, has ALWAYS been there - even before there was attraction to men.
So what the hell is wrong with me?? I don't want to be "bi" - I think it's greedy and pretty much a bunch of crock. I feel so at home @ lesbian events yet feel kinda confused when I see a guy I find attractive (which happens very rarely, yet it still does)

Anyone with kinds words to offer??

Signed,
Confused.

speakpeacelovefreedom's picture

Labels like "bisexual" and

Labels like "bisexual" and "lesbian" seem to just be there so that other people can understand what you are. I came out as bisexual, because I like both guys and girls, but sometimes not equally, and I'm ok with that. I know who I like, and thats enough, but to explain to people I just say I'm bi. So if you like both, mainly girls, sometimes guys, thats ok. You know that about your self. So you don't have to label yourself.

Riku's picture

Hey,

don't forget a label is just a label. You're sexuality is going to be whatever it is no matter what you call yourself. The way I see it, if you like someone, you know. And that's what counts. The label is just something to tell people. So don't stress over it too much.

Also, there's nothing wrong with bi people. Bi people are just as monogamous (or not) as anyone else. The fact that they're bisexual doesn't change that.

jasna's picture

I find it discouraging that

I find it discouraging that people in the gay and lesbian community sometimes try and claim that there is no such thing as being bisexual. It is not just a bunch of crock, and it is not greedy. (sorry if that sounds mean.)

for a while I did not want to be bisexual, I wanted to be a lesbian, and kept trying to come up for excuses for the crushes I had on guys, until I realized that I couldn't change my sexual orientation. just try and be happy with who you are, not who you want to be, or feel you should be. also, there is absolutely no rush in figuring out a label for yourself, and you can call yourself whatever you want.
maybe you should try looking past peoples genders and not get so wrapped up in that, though when you aren't straight, its easy to just focus on that one part.
also check out the Kinsey scale, that might be interesting.

jeff's picture

Hmm..

No one is asking you to decide. And you don't have to declare any label for yourself. Read my interview with Justin Tranter on the front page, we chat about this a lot.

The problem is that you're not 100% lesbian when you're with a girl or 100% straight when you're with a guy. This thinking is why bisexuals get a bad rep to begin with, you avoid claiming ground as a bisexual and swing from two inappropriate labels, but then don't want to be bisexual, because of their reputation that they can't make up their minds or aren't sure what they want (which is what you're already doing).

If you hate being bi and are more into chix, date women. If you're in a relationship, then every hot guy you see walk by becomes irrelevant. Similar to whether you use seven or eight letters to label your sexuality.

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"People who are happy are slugs... They do not move the human race forward."
-- Camille Paglia, on Oasis

Nanook's picture

Is anyone pointing a gun to

Is anyone pointing a gun to your head and making you decide? I'm going to presume that your answer is no.

So then what does it matter? All gay or lesbian is is a label. Sure, they can be important for self-identification, but really, all they really are are superficial.

bedtimest0ries's picture

Thanks, guys. I totally

Thanks, guys. I totally agree with lots of things you are saying. NO, no one
is "making" me decide but I kind of feel (and I am SO sorry if this offends
anyone and I know it's stereotypical and politically incorrect of me to say
but it's the society that got me feelings like this in the first place
but....) I feel like every time I'm talking to a girl and I am in an
all-lesbian environment and I am asked my orientation and if I say
"bisexual" I feel like they're going to look down on me for some reason ..
like I am "not worthy" of being taken seriously and that the "girl thing" is
just a phase and eventually I will go back to a guy or will go with a guy
while also seeing a girl because hey, the girl thing is just "fun". I feel
like I always have to stress the fact that I do not feel bisexual because
being bisexual = attracted EQUALLY to both sexes so that DEF disqualifies me
as being bisexual because my feelings towards women and men are FAR FAR from
being equal. I would say 9 to 1 out of 10 I prefer women. And yes, I know
sexuality is just what it is - without it needing a label but I feel like I
don't fit nor here nor there. And when I DO date a guy, I don't tell him
about my liking for girls either because I feel he will not take me
seriously as well and label me as a "crazy, kinky" girl. I feel like I'm
constantly on restriction on both sides. But as I said, when I am dating/in
a relationship with a girl - I never think of anyone else, let alone men -
but when I date a guy, women are always on my mind. It's like I can't free
my mind from them. I wish I could just be one or the other. I don't feel
complete. I also wish people would just NOT ASK ME what I am because the
answer I have for them is one that I dread.

jeff's picture

So...

Your concern is that being honest will filter out people you should avoid in the first place?

Also, being asked your orientation... honestly, this really doesn't come up in my life, so I think this is either something that disappears at some point in your 20s, or is somewhat fictional to begin with. I've gone on dates and obviously we know the other is some form of not-straight, which may have been covered in an online personal or something, but it really hasn't come up in any meaningful way. And that's dates. Tricks? Who knows what they are... they were in a gay club is all I know. :-0

Sounds like you're just a lesbian who likes dick every so often, which seems to be coming up a lot on Dan Savage's Savage Love podcast lately. It's quite the controversy on there. Girls keep calling in and saying they're lesbians... but every so often, they like dick. And then all the lesbians call in, enraged that a lesbian would ever want dick, etc.

I do like that you preface everything with "I feel," since it means you know on some level it's not really true. It doesn't make it seem less true to you right now, but you're planting those seeds, which is good.

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"People who are happy are slugs... They do not move the human race forward."
-- Camille Paglia, on Oasis

bedtimest0ries's picture

Lol @ lesbians who want dick

Lol @ lesbians who want dick every so often.
Well, I have a confession.
I enjoy sex with men NOT in the same way I enjoy with women - obviously -
but it's on a ENTIRELY diff. level. Sex with a guy is more of a high/rush
because I get off on seeing how much they want me, how much they enjoy my
body and their reaction to me being so fucking "amazing" as they claim I am.
It's not like I NEED the self-esteem boost or anything and quite honestly I
don't know why in the world I feel like this. I don't need and I don't crave
the feeling of penetration, in fact I don't get off on it AT ALL. It's all
mental in seeing how much I am wanted. Fucking pathetic, huh?

And as far as the asking of the orientation goes - I get it a lot actually.
Maybe because I look straight, blonde, make-up, fitted clothes and when I
engage in a drunken open bar convo with lesbians they always wonder what my
orientation is - it's like they can't believe I'm a lesbian because I look
the way I look? For example, I went on a date with a really hot girl and all
her friends are 100% lesbians and when I met them at the girls house we were
all drinking and having fun and one of them just kinda jokingly but not
blurted out - so are you gay or what? And there I went into the explanation
..

Nanook's picture

It sounds like to me, you're

It sounds like to me, you're a lesbian. The kind of sex you have with guys sounds pretty shallow. You get off on the fact that they get off on you. If I were you, I'd just tell everyone that you're a lesbian. But then again, I don't understand females at all.

bedtimest0ries's picture

You might not "know women"

You might not "know women" as you claim but you are def. getting where I'm
coming from!! The sex with men IS very shallow - so true! - and YES, it's
all about me getting off on the fact that I'm getting them off. Control
maybe? I'm also beginning to question whether I am subconsciously denying
myself the self-actualization of being a lesbian and holding on to SOME sort
of heterosexuality solely because of my Russian heritage. I came here when I
was 9 years old and for certain my parents would surely disown me if I was
to come out as lesbian - yet it doesn't stop me from pursuing and being in
lesbian relationships or anything so I can't be REALLY repressing the whole
idea of it. And although no matter my distance from men - inside I believe I
am going to marry and have children and a family with one - not because it
is something I THINK about but it's just something that sort of "programmed"
in me like, that is what is going to happen. I'm 25 years old and my family
is starting to press on the husband/boyfriend issue and I tell them that I
don't seem to find any guys that I am interested in (which is true!) but
maybe that's because there isn't any GUY out there that I'm ever going to
feel like THAT about. I really feel bad for my parents because they worry
about me settling down and finding a good man and they say they just want to
see me with a good husband and kids so they can breathe easy but the last
thing I want to do is live a lie. Fuck my life. I think I need a support
group =(

the mouse that roared's picture

Well, missy, you've found

Well, missy, you've found one. An online one at least.

I can't tell you if you're gay or not. That's stuff you have to figure out on your own. I'm probably a little straighter than you (maybe 85% interested in women?) but I've mostly come out as bi and stayed with that label for five years now. I'm not completely sure if that label is working for me anymore, but I also don't feel so comfortable identifying as a lesbian for some reasons, and I really would like to say I'm pansexual and maybe that's closest to the truth but...

There is so much biphobia out there! At my (lesbian haven/homosexist) women's college, people feel justified in saying that I'm either on the train to gayville, ashamed of my gayness and clinging to heterosexuality, or they think I'm just pretending that I'm into women at all. "I would never date a bi girl because she'll just leave me for the safe world of heteronormativity," is the vehemently stated opinion around campus. I've changed some people's minds, but it's hard. I have a good bit of bi pride. At the same time, I know how it feels to deal with the labels question, and it must be especially hard to deal with when you "look straight," as women at my school would say. Although it's hard not to let it get to you, and it certainly gets to me a lot of the time, I have a few pieces of advice for you:

1. You are you are you are you. You answer to yourself. All that really matters at the end of the day is whether you're interested in X person or not--it doesn't matter what you label yourself.
2. Present yourself with confidence and it will grow on you. Remind yourself that you have no reason to feel ashamed.
3. Often these women who challenge you are dealing with their own insecurities, venting them on you. Yeah, it would be nice not to be their punching bag. It would be nicer if you felt even surer of yourself. Both your and their security will come in time.

A parting thought: Lesbians ask others to accept them for who they love, yet they turn right around and lash hate on their very own queer sisters. Hypocrisy much?

pm me if you want to talk.

And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. --Anais Nin

bedtimest0ries's picture

Thank you so much - you made

Thank you so much - you made me feel a bit better.

Ill def. throw you a message :)

ReinbowGrl's picture

In my day, sexual

In my day, sexual orientation had nothing to do with who you slept with and everything to do with who you loved. Lables are for soup cans and cds. I totally understand your family pressures. My family is irish-mexican-american and they have to same concerns. But they also believe that love is love and happiness is what matters in your relationship, not just what other people call it.

- - -
Pronouns make it hard to keep our sexual orientation a secret when our co-workers ask about your weekend.
- I had a GREAT time with...them.
Yay, now they don't think you're queer, just a slut!

Adam A's picture

meow!

bi now gay later

bedtimest0ries's picture

Bi now, gay later - I LOVE

Bi now, gay later - I LOVE IT! =)

Also, I totally agree with the whole labels are for soup cans statement -
and I wish it was that easy to NOT label yourself or not to have to answer
questions in regards to your orientation - but the truth of the matter is
that eventually I'm going to have to identify with one side or the other
because there is a pretty slim possibility any side would take me seriously
if I don't choose one for keeps. And as far as your family goes - I don't
know your situation but from what you said, it sounds like your family would
be A LOT more accepting than mine because they are international as is
(irish-mexican) so that makes them a lot more open-minded about love than my
family is. Like you said, in the end your family believes that love is love
no matter what where my mother ALREADY cries over being scared that I won't
marry a Russian-speaking MAN. If I decide to marry an Italian or a Greek,
for example, she feels she won't be able to handle it and that she needs to
feel comfortable and relate to the in laws. How fucking selfish. Oh and we
have MANY conversations on that matter and I am VERY stubborn in my ways and
I tell her all the time that I will marry someone who LOVES me, no matter if
that person is from a Russian culture or not and I tell her straight out
that I REFUSE to sacrifice my happiness in life just so she can feel
comfortable, sorry mom, it ain't happening. But in a way I kinda feel bad
for her and wish I could be what she wants me to be but I only have one life
and I intent on making MYSELF happy through out. I wish I had no
responsibility to anyone but myself sometimes.

jeff's picture

Easy fix...

http://www.anastasiaweb.com/

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"People who are happy are slugs... They do not move the human race forward."
-- Camille Paglia, on Oasis

gaynow's picture

Oh shh Jeff.

Oh shh Jeff.

Hey! So I had part of a reply to this thread earlier, and then my browser died. So this is take two: I know it's easier said than acted upon, but if people don't understand who you are/how you identify/how you label yourself, then it's their problem. I live in NYC with a craaaazy-flourishing gay community, and there are so many labels here that... well, I'm really tired so I can't think of an appropriate metaphor. But you get the idea; there are TONS of different kinds of labels. I agree 100% that you don't even need a label, and you should just be whatever you feel comfortable being. But, if you really really feel the need to have a label, for others to understand you or to start getting a handle on yourself... then make it your own. If you're going to describe yourself in a few little words, it's your responsibility to yourself to make sure they're damn accurate. Do some research. From what you've described, I'd hazard a guess that it'd be easiest for you just to identify as "queer" (non-straight, of undefined and not necessarily fixed attraction to each sex). It's nice and non-committal, yet mainstream enough that people will understand it. You could also go with "pansexual" (attracted to all genders in unspecified amounts), "homoflexible" (mostly gay but some/superficial attraction to the opposite sex), or our friend the Kinsey Scale. There are zillions of labels out there, and you should customize and do whatever you like to make sure that whatever you choose to call yourself fits. And no matter what closeminded people around you think, keep in mind that you don't need a label, you're who you are regardless of what you call it. Also, keep in mind that sexuality is fluid, and not only incredibly difficult to encapsulate in a single word but also subject to change. If someone at one times identifies as bi and later as lesbian, it's not them being "wishy-washy," their sexuality may simple have shifted over time. And I'm going to add my two cents about bisexuality, which is that it's 100% possible, and not at all indecisive or slutty. Some people give bisexuality a bad name and there are lots of stereotypes, but it's really not any of the bad stuff people make it out to be. It also doesn't necessarily imply equal attraction to both sexes... But I can see how it would be interpreted that way, especially in the sense I get of your climate. Argh. That was a bit long and possibly very incoherant, but I hope it helped some. Shoot me a PM if you ever want to talk--for the record, I came out as a lesbian, then I started being somewhat-but-not-as-much attracted to men... so that puts me in a similar boat as yours, it seems.

Megan: "Cheers are supposed to be simple, make people feel good."
Graham: "Cheers make girls do stupid cartwheels. Orgasms make people feel good."
-But I'm a Cheerleader

bedtimest0ries's picture

How lovely, I'm making super

How lovely, I'm making super awesome gay-forum-friends lol and for the record - I dig homoflexible lol I actually do have a little made-up labelish adjective for my preference - I tell people I'm "gay, with a twist" lol mostly straight down the line gay but do tend to take a turn here and there .. I find it very suiting! And surprise, surprise - I'm live in nyc too, brooklyn to be exact, but I'm always in the city and go to plenty of girl parties and believe it or not, even in nyc the lesbians all wanna question me on "my deal" as soon as they get a little comfortable in a convo. I agree with all of you where I don't understand why it really matter that fucking much that you just GOTTA fucking ask me. Geez

Izy's picture

I don't see why it matters

I don't see why it matters what label you use. I prefer women, but I am attracted to men on occasions so I say I am pansexual, and if I don't want to explain that I just say bi. If people have issues with that it just shows they need some education or I just shouldn't bother with someone who has issues with stereotypes.

You don't need a label, the lesbian with a twist idea is a good one. Then you can express it in a way that makes you happy. Just be yourself, don't worry about labels.