One thing I was interested in because, a long time ago I talked with (financial guru) Suze Orman, when she was on her first book tour, and she didn't think there was another book in her, because all the answers are in the first book. And now she's on book four or book five, so did you think, with 'Loving What Is,' 'Here it is, The Work...' because it seems like the books give people different vantage points into the same ...
Actually, I think Stephen could talk to that. We did The Little Book, and that was my book. That's it. Stephen is so amazing that he just makes it so available in another way to a more expanded population.
Stephen: Actually, it was an old friend of mine who's a literary agent came up to Katie and said, 'I'd like to be your literary agent,' and she said, 'I don't even have a book in me.' And he said, 'Yes, you do.' So, he introduced us and it started there, but the motivation for her is me. In the sense that an idea for a book will pop up in my mind, and she is a perpetual 'yes' and that's how it happens.
Katie: That's how all three happened. Actually, I said to this man, 'Bottom line: I have a book. It's this little book here. It's free all over the world. It's simple, and that's my book.' So, all the books are going to come out of that. And A Thousand Names For Joy: Living In Harmony With The Way Things Are, is about how the questioned mind lives freely, effortlessly, fearlessly.
Yeah, I just got the book last week. And I was like, 'Good, I'll have time to finish it before the interview,' but you can't storm through reading this book. I'm barely into it. Normally, I finish books before doing interviews, but this one, you have to ponder, think about. It's not a book you just get through. It's no Grisham novel.
I love that. I love that it opens your mind.
I can't do more than two chapters in one sitting. It's like, 'That's it. I have to live with this for a little while.' And then come back later.
Stephen: One of the things I love about A Thousand Names For Joy is that it's such a vivid portrait of what freedom looks like. What it's like to look at the world through the eyes that don't see a problem. For many people, I think, it will be an entrance into a whole different world that is described by some of the clearest of the clear ancient texts, but very often isn't available to people. Or it's only available in terms of spiritual concepts that aren't vividly real for them. This book allows them into Katie's mind, into Katie's life, and it brings everything to life, in my experience. So, it's very exciting for me to have it available to people now.
Katie: What I love about it is it's a book that describes how every single person is living without their story. It's how we're all living. That's what I love about it. It's a book that can wake people up to that.
I guess one of the things is I'm trying to anticipate some of the resistance, and one of the things is that, when you read the book, it almost seems ... part of your ego wants to think, your life seems like it's entirely passive. Everything is just happening to you, and your natural instinct is to do something, that whole 'I'm the one who controls this. I need to be the one who decides what happens.' And you're just saying to sit back and everything will happen? How will anything occur? How will I have a job? How will I have money?
And as they continue to read, they'll see a lot gets done.
I mean, you are the CEO of a company, but at the same time, in the book, you said you're amazed that you still have your wedding ring, because you tend to give things to people if they like them. So, how to bring this to people where it's going to be like, 'OK, that's a little too out there for me.'
Well, if they keep reading, they just have to conclude that it works out as well, or better than, anyone's life.
You're well into The Work at this point, so this book is probably a glimpse into what we can get to, but on our site, we need to start with the basic questions for right now.
We have an excerpt from the publisher that should go on your site. And then the people that get into the book from that will be prepared, because that will make sense to them. And if it doesn't... well, I just can't imagine that it wouldn't. Who knows?
How do people know if The Work is right for them, or if they're ready to do The Work?
The Work takes us to our own answers. So, it's just, 'Are you ready for your own answers?' The work isn't going to any good or harm. It's just four questions. They direct you to your own answers, and that's amazing, because freedom is our birthright and those questions, when they're answered, take us to that freedom. Our door opens and we realize, for ourselves, what's been troubling us and where the pain has been all our lives.
It just seems perfect to have you doing this, because people are coming to the site because they have questions. And sometimes I'll reply with something to make them think along the lines of The Work, sometimes I'll mention it directly and link to TheWork.com, and sometimes I'll just ask if that's true. But it's such a good time to introduce something like this, because they're going from "I'm straight, and here are all these things my parents wanted me to be..." and then having to switch to "I think I'm gay, and that means..." so they're already in a mode where reality has forced them to do inquiry, just against their will and without structure.
There are gay men and lesbians who are on the hotline, or who would be available, if that would help them out. They could walk them right through the process. And you seem to be doing fine, also, and the more you work with them, the more awake you are going to become, and the freer you get the freer they're going to get.
And the site already does have a very communal feel. When people show up that are looking for more of a sexual site, the kids on the site tell them that's not what Oasis is for. It's very self-policing.
You've got a good culture going. So, what's a stressful thought that they come to the site with?
Perception of how they will be viewed because of their sexuality... the stereotypes in society.
What would be a direct example of a stressful thought?
Stephen: I am gay, so that means I'm effeminate.
Katie: So their stressful thought might be: if I'm really gay am I supposed to be effeminate? Will people see me that way? So, then you convert it to "People will see you as effeminate, is that true?" You take their question and you convert it into a statement. What's another one?
Stephen: I'm gay, and that means I'm not normal.
Katie: So when my parents find out I'm gay, they'll think I'm not normal. Or, I'm afraid if I tell my parents I'm gay, they'll think I'm not normal. Then you go to, You're not normal, is that true? Or, your parents won't see you as normal if you told them, is that true? And the more you're in The Work, the more quickly you can convert, identify, and just nail it. Your interest is people and their freedom, so that makes you my interest.
Stephen: I think it would be very powerful to have a list of the top ten stressful thoughts that follow the thought, "I'm gay, and that means..." and then apply the four questions to thoughts like these. That could be very powerful.
So, are you ready to do The Work? Head over to the forum to chat about it.