One of the things that really surprised me when I was reading the book, was that you weren't aware of all these texts like the Tao Te Ching. Usually, you think of someone involved in the kind of work you do, you would be sitting home with knowledge of the Tao, and knowledge of all these...
Well, I think we're all sitting home with the knowledge of the Tao. It's just that these four questions tap us into that wisdom, and I love to say that experience really taught me that no one holds more wisdom than anyone else. These questions tap us into that, and it's the same wisdom. It's ours, it belongs to all of us.
I also started listening recently to Wayne Dyer, and he's the direct opposite, because he knows all the quotes. He has them at his fingertips ready to go. It just seems there are all these paths to the same goal. You say that you believe your own stories, and for him that's what he calls the ego. It just seems like all these things get to the same universal truths. It's actually funny, the day I was going to start reading your new book, I was going to read it on a train going to visit my friend. And since I was going to walk to the train, I was taking my iPod with me. And I just put one of Wayne's podcasts on it, because I had just downloaded all of them. I figured I'll listen to him on the walk over, and that would be a good warm-up to reading your book, and I had no idea, but I picked the podcast where you were his special guest.
Yeah, that's what happens.
Actually, that's similar to how the site was relaunched. I mean, the site doesn't need me to exist. It's fine without me.
That's wonderful. You've done a good job then.
So, I want to create content to bring new people in. the people we have on the site are great, but it's just slowly expanding, and you want to get the word out to everybody.
Yes, yes. People are suffering because they were born a certain way, and believe that (and that would be every human being) that they shouldn't be that way. That's painful.
And for the longest time when people would thank me for the site, I would just leave them in my in box and not want to deal with that whole thing. They would sit a long time before I'd reply. But a friend of mine who was in a Broadway show, he and I ended up going to lunch when he was in town on book tour, and we ended up sitting there for four hours chatting. And I figured, he's always getting people thanking him for his role in the show, so I figured he'd have some insight into how to deal with that. And he was offended that I wasn't accepting responsibility for what I did.
Two days after that, I was reading the San Francisco Chronicle online, an interview he did while he was in town, and in that moment I was thinking, 'Anymore, I have to just accept responsibility for the site. It happened.' And, in that moment, the phone rings. It was a kid who hadn't been on the site in years, but is now one of the leaders at his school, is involved with all these causes, and he was calling to thank me. So, I was like... what is going on? You always hear stories like that and it sounds like self-help hokum that you'd create because it's a really great story.
My thought is to invite you out of denial. When someone says thank you, you come out denial and say you're welcome.
Oh, I've been doing that now.
Good. If someone says, 'You're wonderful, you saved my life,' you say, 'Thank you,' and you take that in and you own it, and you grow with it. Anything less than that is like a wall, so I love that you've stepped into that and given yourself permission. Thank you for that.
And that's when it started shifting to putting a lot of effort back into the site. Because the site was always done through a source of motivation, which is sort of an impure energy, as opposed to an inspired life, where you're just doing things because.. like this interview now, I'm like, they don't know who Katie is, so this is going to be great to bring you to them. That good spirit fuels a lot of what I'm doing with the site now.
When we love something, we just want everyone we know and love to connect to each other, and all grow together, and share what we've got. I thank you for knowing that.