So, you've been in the group for two years now?
It will be three years in January. I joined in January 2004. I auditioned for them in August 2003 when they saw a show I was doing at the New Conservatory...
When Pigs Fly?
When Pigs Fly, yeah. Irwin and Chris saw that, and they liked what they saw. A lot of people were actually referring me to them after seeing me in the show, saying it would be a great fit.
It seems like the New Conservatory is their audition grounds...
... because Chris got picked up when they saw him there in The Ballad of Little Mikey. God, I know way too much about The Kinsey Sicks.
No! You're a reporter. You should know this!
Oh, I saw the Kinsey Sicks way back at (the now defunct) Josie's, when Joan Jett Black was hosting her own late night talk show on Friday nights...
Oh my God!
And they came out and did two songs. I don't even think they had a CD out then.
They probably didn't.
So I've seen many incarnations. Vaselinas and Trampolinas, but never Begoña, that was before my time.
I think Begoña left after the first show.
OK, so that would have been pretty hard to catch.
So NCTC is a breeding ground, I guess.
And did you only do When Pigs Fly and The Ritz there, or were there other shows?
I did a bunch of things. I did some of their YouthAware shows. They're great. I did a show called Get Real that played to middle school kids and was about drug addiction and peer pressure. And I did another show by Ed Roy called The Other Side Of The Closet, which was a great show about a gay man who comes to terms with his sexuality in high school. We played that in different high schools across the state and in Nevada, and it was a very moving experience because there were some high schools that really needed to see it, especially outside the Bay Area. But, surprisingly, even in the Bay Area. Some students at Mission High School were very, very against seeing it. I think Balboa or Wilson High School had vocal students in the audience saying 'Get off the stage, fag.' You know, throwing stuff at us. It was pretty violent.
That's always the big myth: In San Francisco, you wouldn't think that this could happen...
You would think people who are here who are anti-gay would just keep quiet and grumble to themselves.
Oh no. I wish that were the case, but it's not. I went to public school in San Francisco myself. I went to Lowell and, I have to say, part of me was surprised and part of me was not surprised, because public school can be scary, and kids will say whatever the hell they want to say especially when the teachers don't care. But it was wonderful to have the opportunity to tour with the show, because I got to see what it was like to be in high school in places other than San Francisco.