THERE'S NO RED IN MY PINK!!!

ptwrtr's picture

-rantings of a (not so) self loathing queer-

Upon hearing of conservative gay columnist, Arthur J. Finkelstein’s formation of a commitee to oppose his wife’s 2008 bid for president, impeached former president Bill Clinton patronizingly said that Finkelstein may “have some feelings of self-loathing.

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NovaCat's picture

Despite what you said having

Despite what you said having merit, it's an incredibly inaccurate and unfair characterization to say that you are a republican because you don't think that our soldiers are Nazis. I'm going to one of the most liberal colleges in the country, and I don't know a single person who would fit that statement. Democrats are not defined by despising those in the military. That is a smear (a subject which you wrote about) perpetrated mostly by politicians who want people to support them because the "other side" are evil, atheistic, America-hating terrorist-enablers. This is all, as many people like to say, complete bullshit. Likewise with the "there IS a lot of good religion" quote; that's based completely on the (idiotic/propagandistic) claim that democrats want to remove religion completely from everything. There are plenty of religious democrats (and yes, I am including Christianity as the MOST COMMON religion among them), just as there are plenty of atheist, agnostic, nihilist, etc. republicans. And really, the whole democrats want communism is a total load of crap. Failing to support massive tax cuts does not equal socialism or communism. I would say 90% of democrats, frankly, like capitalism, and don't want to change the USA into Sweden. My father is a VP for one of the Fortune 500 companies. We have money. More so than a lot of other people. My father defines himself as an independent liberal, and he votes a split ticket based on whoever he thinks will do the best job in any given occasion. The reason he's not a registered republican is simply because he disagrees with today's republican economic policy. It's not because he's a socialist or a communist. It's a disagreement on how money should be raised and what should be done with it.

"It is common for a liberal to accuse someone of being a fag and a homophobe in the same sentence." I'd like to see where you have evidence for this. I have never heard or read anything like this in my entire life, except in writings like yours, which are usually made by people who dislike liberals. I also think that your assumption that we all adore Bill Clinton to the ends of the earth is quite insulting. Maybe you should ask people what they think instead of telling them.

And asking, "What have the democrats done for gays . . ." is kind of a useless question. However little they have done, they've done far more than republicans so far. And I seem to remember the issue of gay marriage being shoved down people's throats not by democrats, but rather by the ultra-conservative wing of the republican party who were screaming about the sanctity of marriage being destroyed. Notice how a lot of republicans got religious conservative votes? They played the gay marriage card. It's EXACTLY the same as democrats playing the gay marriage card to get gay votes. That's how politics work! Attacking people for their relations to others (i.e. Dick Cheney's daughter) in political advertisements happens all the time. Pretending that only the democrats do it is self-righteous and ignorant. Politics is the game of sleazeballs. EVERYONE will play dirty. Get used to it.

My highest priority is not to have gay marriage legalized. I'm much more concerned with the bungled handling of the war in Iraq and non-existent WMDs and such. But if gay marriage keeps being an issue, however unimportant, people have gotta vote on it, or it may end up being decided without their input. Just because an issue is unimportant doesn't mean it'll go away. There are plenty of unimportant issues that have been the central foci of media attention during EVERY presidency and every governorship and every minor appointment of public office. The reason they don't go away is because, for whatever reason, people don't want them to. This, in my opinion, makes the issue, in and of itself, important, because of the huge outcry from everyone.

Also, despite your beliefs on economics, taxation, role of government, etc. which are completely valid beliefs, I want you to think long and hard about how much the republican party would support initiatives for the far more important issue, as you and I both think, of depression, suicide, ostracism, and disowning of gay teenagers. I'm willing to bet very little, if any.

Being a democrat is not the same as being a robot, at least, not any more so than being a republican is. You shouldn't define your beliefs by your party. Define your beliefs, and then become part of a party that agrees with you, or, don't join a party at all.

ptwrtr's picture

Thank you for reading

Hi!

I'd like to thank you for reading and commenting on my column. Whether or not you agree with me, I don't particularly care- I'm more interested in having people hear what I have to say and react to it.
Furthermore, I appreciate the fact that you are well read and have formed specific political opinions. Unfortunately, I have seen a noted lack of interest about the issues, especially gay rights, among GLBT people.
I thoroughly read your comment and would like to answer some concerns you have about certain arguments I have made. Regarding the lack of cites, I apologise- my endnotes did not translate into the online forums well. I will post them in my next column.

As for your concerns:
1. "'It is common for a liberal to accuse someone of being a fag and a homophobe in the same sentence.' I'd like to see where you have evidence for this. I have never heard or read anything like this in my entire life, except in writings like yours, which are usually made by people who dislike liberals."

Well, I'm glad you aren't frequenting the far-left websites which engage in the practices I have mentioned.(These are the same ones that accuse Isreal of plotting 9/11. If you don't believe that THESE exist, you need only visit google.com and type in, "isreal" and "9/11") I'll be glad to take the time to give you 1 example. It shouldn't be to hard to find some others yourself, considering that Michael Rogers published a full-page ad in the New York Times outing gays.

Go to:
-ACTION: Email Jay Timmons. And a names update.-
Monday, July 26, 2004
(http://www.blogactive.com/2004_07_01_blogactive_archive.html)

2."Democrats are not defined by despising those in the military."

That is absolutely true. However, most elected Democrats do, including major Democratic figureheads such as, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, and my own senator, the "great" Dick Durbin who compared our fighting men to "nazis", and our own military installations to "gulags." (By the by, there have been only 250 credible accusations of abuse out of 50,000 detainees during this war. That's less than 1/2 of 1 percent. And it isn't a smear if it's true and not a matter of personal privacy.

3."And really, the whole democrats want communism is a total load of crap. Failing to support massive tax cuts does not equal socialism or communism."

Perhaps, but supporting a National Health System and cozying up to murderers and barbarians like Fidel Castro does.

See the: "Cuban Solidarity Act" supported by Democrats and one nutty Republican and former KKK leader.

"We have money. More so than a lot of other people. My father defines himself as an independent liberal..."

All of the communist revolutionaries of this century have been members of the "bourgeoisie" class- and look at Hollywood. But... I'm not saying your a communist.

4."And asking, "What have the democrats done for gays . . ." is kind of a useless question. However little they have done, they've done far more than republicans so far."

The problem with this argument is that liberals have accomplished NOTHING in the last decade concerning gay rights except for saying nice things about us on the Senate floor where their constituants cant hear them- unless of course they watch C-span 24/7. I'll gladly admit that Republicans have done little in terms of gay rights. However, all the Democrats have done is talk- and talk is cheap. So how can the Dems claim the GLBT vote and label others who don't go along as "self-loathing" when the Dems have done nothing to earn it. Prove me wron and find something big they have done for us on a national level in the last dacade and I will concede this point.

5."And I seem to remember the issue of gay marriage being shoved down people's throats not by democrats, but rather by the ultra-conservative wing of the republican party who were screaming about the sanctity of marriage being destroyed."

Firstly, a very small fraction of the Republican party are ultra-conservatives. And I will note that all of the figureheads of the GOP are moderates, including John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, and Ken Mehlman.
Secondly, it could be argued that it was far-left judges who "shoved it" down America's throat by legislating from the bench- a BIG no no in our Constitution. (I'd also like to mention that in the case of Mass., the only gay justice on the Mass. Supreme Court has come out against the court's actions.)
I believe that the courts legislating same-sex marriage is the wrong and undemocratic way of going about this. Do you really want 9 unelected individuals deciding the policy of your nation?
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. worked for months in Montgomery, AL to desegregate the public buses. While the courts decided that case, Dr. King's intentions were not to just desegregate the city buses- Montgomery is just one city. No, his true intentions were to enflame the public against racial descrimination by demonstrating. HE DID NOT GO THROUGH THE COURTS, HE WENT THROUGH THE PEOPLE.
We live in a democracy(thank God!), therefore unless we liberal and conservative gays alike can unite our resolve to convince the PEOPLE, instead of the courts, all is lost.

5.Lastly, when I referred to people acting like robots, I didn't just mean liberals, I also meant the Jerry Falwell right wingers who don't think for themselves. The only way to keep this robot-type thinking is to see from other points of view and question our own. That is why I encourage you and other liberal individuals to read what I have to say and to CRITICIZE it.

Anyhow, I like being kept on my toes. :-D

Yours truly,
p.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

-Thomas Jefferson-

ac4308's picture

not true.

i'm a huge libral and huge supporter of gay rights and i know tons of other librals who are as well. as compared to all the republicans that i know that are not for gay marriage or civil unions. you can't get an idea of the whole party just because a couple democrats did something wrong doesn't mean that the whole party is that way. and overall i think that Clinton was a good president. a million times better than bush. you think that bush is sympathetic about gay rights? actually do you think he is sympathetic about anyone whos not rich and powerful? i think that you are making some very harsh statements and honestly i can't see how you can say some of that stuff. oh well, you're allowed to have your opinion as wrong as it maybe. lol. no i didn't mean that but anyways it was interesting to read.

adbak's picture

There's more to being a Repub

There's more to being a Republican than "on the other hand, I’m a Republican because I support the liberation of Iraq and Afganistan, I don’t think American Soldiers are Nazis(and they don’t seem to have much of a problem with us, according to an article noting support of gays in the military by fellow soldiers)." Something to the effect of limited roll of government in our daily lives.

You say you abhor socialism. And to prove your abhorrence, the next time your house is burning down don't call the fire station and the next time you're mugged, robbed, or have a loved one killed, don't call the police station. Both are institutions that are brought to you by socialism -- the ideology that a society should exist in which popular collectives exist for the benefit of society. Oh, and don't go to public school or the library, they're the spawn of socialism too. You can forgo the Internet too.

Oh, and if by "liberal Supreme Court justices" you mean judicial activism, then your boy George W. wouldn't be in office if it weren't for the judicial activism of the court telling Florida how to recount the votes.

ptwrtr's picture

Differences

There a difference between institutions of order(police) and safety(fire) and the NHS and enormous and corrupt welfare beaurocracies.

Unfortunately, you are uncapable of understanding basic ideas being communicated in this piece. I was simply trying to state where I agree with or disagree with mainstream Rupublican principles and recent resolutions the GOP has supported.

I find arguing about one or two sentences which have little to do with the meat of my column boring and unproductive. If you are interested in playing a game of "gotcha" you can play with yourself. :-D

p.