Why are we attracted to who we're attracted to?
This is a question that has been sitting in my mind the past few weeks...well, probably more like the past 6 months or so. I don't have the answer to it, and I don't think I ever will, but the reason why it's been on my mind is that I've found a new source of guilt. Perhaps this is an unconscious way to make up for my new lack-of-guilt over the fact that I'm a lesbian. Anyway, here's the reason behind my newfound guilt:
I'm not really attracted to "girly" girls.
Don't get me wrong...I see a woman like Angelina Jolie, or Alyson Hannigan, or some of the girls who run around my campus in their obscenely tiny running shorts, and there's no doubt in my mind that their hot. They've even been the source of a fantasy or two...lol. But you know what really gets me going, what catches my eye?
The more masculine women. Butch girls, androgenous girls, hardcore dykes (as my girlfriend calls herself)...whatever you want to call them.
Yeah.
Now, one might ask why I feel guilty about this. I don't really know why I do, and I don't even know if "guilty" is really the word for what I'm feeling.
The first time my dad saw a picture of my girlfriend (well...the only time), the first thing he said was (and I remember this clear as day): "Don't take this the wrong way, but she looks like a guy."
I wonder, if somewhere back in the deep crevices of my brain, the fact that I'm attracted to butch women as opposed to the femmes makes me wonder if I, in fact, really do want to be with men? I mean...without going into too much detail, ::blushes:: there's not much of a difference between what men and women do in bed and what my girlfriend and I do in bed, except that we have to use a certain tool to make up for what she doesn't naturally have... My girlfriend brought this up in bed one time; I think it bothers her some that I've never been with a guy. She's afraid I'm going to go want the "real thing" one of these days.
But that's the thing. I don't want a man. I'm very happy with my woman, thank you very much. There's plenty of things we do that a man and a woman couldn't.
I feel like all the guys around me are after that one "perfect" woman...If any of the guys in my lodge were to bring home a girl even remotely resembling my girlfriend, they would never hear the end of it. Thier hook-ups can only be with thin (or at least normal-weight) girls who wear makeup and mini skirts and high heels. I think the fact that I'm _not_ looking for this type of women, the type that every guy I live with is looking for, makes me feel unsettled. I'm a lesbian, I like women...so why aren't I attracted to the women that every red-blooded male seems to be after?
To wrap this long, convoluted post up, let me clarify once again that I'm not saying that I want to change. I'm happy, and I love my girlfriend...my girlfriend who is called "Sir" more often than "Ma'am" out in public, who would never be caught dead in a dress, and who (as far as I know) has never shaved her legs. But she's still a woman. I just think it would be intereting to figure out what makes me tick, why I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to... It's both interesting and disconcerting.
And now I know why I'm a gender studies minor.
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It's an inexplicable thing...
It's one of those things, ya know, no matter how like a man a woman becomes, she is, and will always be a woman. I'm not saying this is a limitation at all, or that the differences between men and women are bad, I'll be the first person to admit that differences are a good thing.
It's not that you want to be with guys, I mean, you wouldn't be okay with who you were if that is what you wanted. Even it was unconscious (if there is such a thing as unconscious thought), you would be unhappy being with a woman, no matter how masculine she was (see above comment).
The answer to your question "so why aren't I attracted to the women that every red-blooded male seems to be after?" is simply that you are you. Being lesbians does not make us men, so why would we be attracted to the same kind of women that they are??
As you said, there is a big difference between eye-candy and emotional attachment. There is too much emphasis or importance placed on who we love instead of why we love.
"There are two kinds of people in this world; those who think there are two kinds of people and those that know better." Tom Robbins
It's one of those things, ya
It's one of those things, ya know, no matter how like a man a woman becomes, she is, and will always be a woman.
Unless she's transgendered...and in that case she may one day be a he. Hmm...that'd be really strange to have your partner change sexes after you've known him/her as the other gender for a long time. I don't know how I'd handle that. Certainly something to ponder...
~Tiffany
"The hardest thing in this world is to live in it. Be brave, live."
lol
I was going to mention something along those lines, but I didn't.
It's weird enough (though not necessarily in a bad way) to have a friend change gender after you've known them for a long time. A partner is a completely different level.
You've got me thinking about that now...
"There are two kinds of people in this world; those who think there are two kinds of people and those that know better." Tom Robbins
Well...
I'm in highschool right, well there's this senior, he's already decided that he's transgender. That's unfortunately all I know aside from that he's a pretty nice guy, a really cutie and if he was a girl I might just date him. I'm not very close to him, you'd have to talk to my dear friend Brandon to get any real details, but he's(Brandon) obsessing over Travis, an aryan god of a football player who also happens to be deaf, alass Brandon has never taken the easy road neadless to say...
Anyway, I've actaully kinda thought about the whole transgender thing late at night when my insomnia kicks in and I don't think I would mind no matter how long I had been with her. If it's love I'd stick by her. I'm a relatively unstable person and I take all the love I can get from anywhere I can get it, which has gotten me into some very messy situations. All that and Dee would freak out and probubly die, but I honestly wouldn't be to sad, it's cruel to say stuff like that about my mom but I really don't like her, she's gotten on my last nerve just enough for me to silently lothe her existance. At least I'm honest, right?!
"A soul is never black, just a darker shade of gray..."
~Dassani
many facets..
This is the first time ever writing here, but I guess I never will if I don't jump in. When you first see someone, and you get that feeling "What would it be like to actually have a life with this person", you know that question that pops into your head before you even speak a word to them? Its hard to justify that the thought is brought on by any depth of knowledge about the person's personality. Most of us have been introduced to someone we 'had our eye on' only to find out they really aren't someone we'd like to be associated with. But have you noticed that no matter how attractive they are, once you believe they are NOT what you are looking for that physicall attraction just fades.
I was thinking the other day, Why cant I just get a girlfriend, it would make my mom happy, she'd stop buying me 'How to Change' DVDs from the internet. Even my supportive family members I know would show more support than I like to admit, but I guess the reason those thoughts don't last very long is beacause there are many types of attraction, and the priority in a happy relationship is emmotional attraction.
I loved my last boyfriend not because he was the hottest guy I could find, he actually cared for me. He loved me unconditionally and when we were together after work and if I was stressed about some customer or personal matter and I let it out on him he just took it, and gave nothing back but support. It took me a long time to realize I really loved him, ultimately too late, now he's giving someone else that support. It did leave me with a greater knowledge of what is 'emmotionally attractive' though.
I do belive there are many times of people, even gay people. Some people have the physical attraction as the priority, some emmotional, some spiritual, and others unexplainable :)
In a psych class at BSU my freshman year we were directed to take part in at least 2 studies by the grad students in the psych dept. One that I participated in was about measuring whats more important to a male and a female after infidelity in a relationship. It was assumed that men would be more upset about thier partner being physical with another male, and women would be more upset about the emmotional distress of thier partner sharing themselves with another woman. Well when I did that study I think that was the first time someone 'knew' I was gay, ha ha. I was so far on the previously exclusively female side of the study. But I'm not effeminate, most people take me for straight unless my aim is to imply otherwise, I like Nine Inch Nails and Cars.
I wonder if this means Im emmotionally attracted to other guys that would have been on the other end of that study though... maybe its balance that makes things work. Opposites attract.. but similarities bind.
So I guess I just wanted to say I know what you mean with your post. I think about it all the time. And it feels great to be with someone you know fits you, but maybe the question never goes away because some of us just have an innate need to know 'why'?
Jake
http://home.earthlink.net/~jacobekker (essay here with even more introverted ramblings on emmotional identity.)
i'm not sure
I don't know. I mean it's kinda the same with me too. Well not really but i mean with my girlfriend being masculine. I mean, it's rare for her to come to school in girl's clothes so that makes her different than all of my other girlfriends that i've had before. They all, pretty much wore girls clothes like all the time. So, it makes me wonder why i'm attracted to her so much and i realized that it's because she makes me happy. That might be what it is with you. I mean i don't really know you but i would say that you're attracted to your girlfriend for something other than her looks. It's like a psycological thing i guess. Sorry, i know that this doesn't help you much.
Erin
"Choking back emotion, I try to keep on hoping for a way, a reason for us both to come in close, I long for you to hold me like your boyfriend does, and though my dream is slowly fading, I want to be the object of your passion, but it's hopeless."
t.A.T.u.
I mean i don't really know yo
I mean i don't really know you but i would say that you're attracted to your girlfriend for something other than her looks.
See..that's the thing. Yeah, I'm attracted to her for many things besides her looks, but she IS the type of girl I'm more attracted to, look-wise. I'm definitely very physically attracted to women that have a more masculine look to them. That's the main idea behind the post is that I'm not really attracted to the more feminine girls...and I guess I just wonder why that is. :-P
~Tiffany
"The hardest thing in this world is to live in it. Be brave, live."
"I'm definitely very physical
"I'm definitely very physically attracted to women that have a more masculine look to them . . . and I guess I just wonder why that is."
Me too. Only thing is that my attractions do not fit the butch-femme dynamic, because I am a masculine female too. I wonder sometimes if that makes me a gay boy at heart. :) I understand what other writers have said here about the fundamental differences between lesbian and straight emotional attractions, but I still wonder why I am physically attracted to other butch women. Emotional attraction is most important to me, certainly, but the physical piece is strong as well. Ah, the conundrums of interpersonal dynamics . . .
:) Cory
I'm not attracted to girly gi
I'm not attracted to girly girls realy, either. Some of the girly girls I know are just plane annoying when it comes to things like their looks. I guess, I just don't want to deal with that. Waiting hours and hours for them to get their hair just right before we can go out on our date. Viewing several outfits, before they find the right one...though I wouldn't mind watching my girl change ;) I also really hate that "damsel in distress" thing they sometimes do. Iwant a girl who is independent. That's what attracts me. Someone not afraid to just be themselves. My girl is not butch, but she's not real girly. She is completely fine with being seen in a pony tail and sweats. I guess, what I'm trying to say, is what are your feelings on the way they act? Maybe that is a turn off for you.
My other theory is, that even though me and my girl are both, well, girls, I don't want to be labeled the "guy" of our relationship. Maybe you attraction to butch girls is that you still want to feel like the girl in your relationship??? I dunno - I'm just pulling this all out of my ass, really. Sorry I'm not much of a help.
butch/femme dynamic
I think in my original post I was talking more strictly along the lines of physical attraction. I'm much more attracted to butch girls than femme girls, physically. I think their attitudes and their actions, which are influenced heavily by attidude, may be part of that, but I wouldn't say that I wouldn't want a girl who acts "girly" (I hope I'm not offending anyone...I don't mean to say it's bad to act girly...I just can't think of a better way to put it)
Maybe you attraction to butch girls is that you still want to feel like the girl in your relationship???
This comment made me think...As much as I want to immediately say that I don't care about the typical guy/girl "roles" in a relationship, I think I do enjoy being the "girl" in the relationship. And It's not that I don't want her to be a "girl" or anything...but I don't think I could ever take on a "guy" role in a relationship.
I think that it's so engrained in me to "break" stereotypes that I'm afraid to admit that I enjoy being in relationships that match the butch/femme stereotypical dynamic...but also I think I'm just scared for someone to look at me and look at my girlfriend and tell me that deep inside I really want to be with guys.
::shrugs:: it's all so confusing. Sorry If this doesn't make any sense...I tried to explain it as clearly as possible!
~Tiffany
"The hardest thing in this world is to live in it. Be brave, live."
roles
This comment made me think...As much as I want to immediately say that I don't care about the typical guy/girl "roles" in a relationship, I think I do enjoy being the "girl" in the relationship. And It's not that I don't want her to be a "girl" or anything...but I don't think I could ever take on a "guy" role in a relationship.
the roles are so ridiculously messed up in my relationship that it would be impossible to even try to assign us traditional male and female roles.
and i never thought that i'd be brave enough to do half the things i've done... i make almost all the first moves, the way a guy would noirmally be expected to, and let me tell you, i have a new-found respect for all of my guy-friends' courage.
on top of that, my preferences are almost even weirder because i'm bi. i like feminine men and tom boys. yeah. ^^;
i ♥ androgyny. o^^o
~ solarfae
Hmmm.
Okay, so I've actually thought about this for a while....like it's been stewing in my brain. My take on this is, despite what people wear, there are guys and there are girls. I like girls. You like girls. Now the type of woman I'm attracted to...I don't really go for the butch or the femme. Like you, I don't like the type of women that most guys seem to be attracted to. But I also don't like the extreme butch type. I prefer androgynous girls, although they can lean a little in either direction. But back to your question...
"I wonder, if somewhere back in the deep crevices of my brain, the fact that I'm attracted to butch women as opposed to the femmes makes me wonder if I, in fact, really do want to be with men?"
No, I'd say that you do not want to be with men. Despite however women dress, we are INCREDIBLY different from men. I believe its in the way we think. You know that stupid book, Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus? I believe it's true. There are differences between men and women that go much farther than simply appearance. You've figured out who you are and who you like. You HAPPEN to like masculine women. THEY'RE STILL WOMEN. My theory also helps to explain transgendered people - it truly is in the way we think that makes us who we are. My friend Freddy, he just happened to be born in the wrong body.
I'm not sure if this really helped you, it kind of went all over the place, but without knowing you, I'd say that you do not want to be with men, you just happen to prefer masculine women. Masculinity and feminity are not limited to gender, they are traits that anyone can exhibit. (My opinion).
If you want to continue this, feel free to drop me an e-mail or im.
~Meg