Gay Marriage vs. Marriage between family members (incest)

18 February, 2004 - 12:18pm — barticus

Assuming most people here are for Gay Marriage I was wondering if anyone could point out none moral reasons to disallow marriages between family members? Just curious.....

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18 February, 2004 - 8:05pm — Beryl

I don't understand, how do th

I don't understand, how do the two issues inter-connect other that both being about freedom of marriage?

18 February, 2004 - 9:34pm — phishin

Yes, in fact, there are actual reasons

There are, in fact, actual reasons to ban intra-familial marriages. (In response to Beryl, no, the two are not connected, except for in those cases where it would be an incestuous gay marriage).
In the case of a straight incestuous marriage, the risk of birth defects would be ridiculously high. This is a genetics issue, not just a philosophical issue.
Psychologically, there's also an issue. This could copletely throw off someone's psychology. And what if someone forces someone related into a marriage?
Gay marriage is normal- homosexuality is not considered to be a "mental condition", it's normal. Therefore, gay marriage is normal.
However, incest is not considered a social norm.
Maybe in 50 years we can concentrate on same-family marriages.
Now, let's concentrate on our rights.

"If we all practice an eye for an eye, we will all go blind"- Gandhi

19 February, 2004 - 5:24am — barticus

Gentetics Issue

Intra-familial marriages do raise a serious problem! Any children resulting from such a union would have a high probability of inheriting many possible gentetic disorders!

Do you think this is reason enough to deny such marriages?

19 February, 2004 - 5:42am — random

marriage doesn't have to mean

marriage doesn't have to mean children. in any case, they wouldn't have to be married to HAVE the kids! and that's a separate argument, but if two people love each other they're not doing anyone harm by marrying.

24 February, 2004 - 10:41pm — phishin

True, but the government woul

True, but the government would have no way of enforcing birth control. This is another thing that the Christian ~~Right~~Wrong would shoot down because it would lead to a lot of abortions- and a woman has a right to choose!!!!!!!!!
A lot of this disformed babies would be born, i'm afraid.
(sigh...) this is something i'm not going to bitch about though. Incestuous marriage isn't something i'd oppose, but it's not something i'm going to bitch about because it doesn't affect me as much as gay marriage does
Peace out,
Nat miller
"If we all practice an eye for an eye, we will all go blind"- Gandhi

19 February, 2004 - 5:29am — barticus

what is normal!?

"Gay marriage is normal- homosexuality is not considered to be a "mental condition", it's normal. Therefore, gay marriage is normal.
However, incest is not considered a social norm.
Maybe in 50 years we can concentrate on same-family marriages.
Now, let's concentrate on our rights."
You do realize at one time that gay marriage or (homosexuality) was not a social norm and was considered by most psychologists to be a "mental condition"! How is it that we assume people who practice incest suffer from a mental condition? Are'nt we assuming too much?

24 February, 2004 - 10:37pm — phishin

Yeah, we are assuming too muc

Yeah, we are assuming too much there.
I realize that if i condemn incestuous marriage, i will to some extent be hypocrytical, since i myself am bi and would have been accused of having a mental condition.
Incest, although not something i have experience in, can in some cases be beneficial- a genuine love and affection on both sides. If a father and daughter, brother and sister, mother and son, etc., are genuinely in a loving relationship, and are both comfortable with extending that to a sexual relationship, more power to 'em. But too often, incest is rape, by the older to the younger. That's the problem- not the genuinely loving relationships.
I even understand why incest can be intriguing- it's a common sexual fantasy for everyone, even if it's not commonly talked about. It can be a beautiful thing.
But, for too many young girls abused by their fathers, it shows the ugly, ugly side of human sexuality.
Peace out,
"If we all practice an eye for an eye, we will all go blind"- Gandhi

19 February, 2004 - 1:17am — adbak

They say: If we allow marria

They say:
If we allow marriage of homosexual couples, then we would have to pay more to give them the rights that heterosexual couples currently receive. This would create a money drain, thereby slowing the economy. They should shoulder the weight of sustaining the economy.

"Us/Them"
"Us/Them"

24 February, 2004 - 6:01pm — JB